Sport? Police? Military? Traditional? Which creates the best attitude for real fight/ self-defense?

Every training method has its strengths, and every one has its weaknesses. So let's talk about which methods out there make for the best real fighting ability under stress in the real world.

I train with a lot of different ppl on different days of the week, anybody I can really. A few deputies here I'm lucky enough to get with, and a couple work the jail, and they may not have the same knowledge and pretty skill as traditional MA men, but they win in sparring most of the time. Likewise, sport guys I've trained with here do really well in sparring, even when you break out of their preferred range, since the guy has to get close to you to be a threat, unless he pulls out a gun or something.

So, as far as developing real fighting ability for the streets, which do you think works best? Tell me how and why.

Well, the question is not about which is best, but about developing attitude for winning fights.

I'm not big into TMAs, but that's not why I'm going to say this. TMAs for over 3 decades have typically failed in the streets. Police and FBI statistics have proven this, and anyone can verify it by checking the online stats with FBI and FLETC. That's why every police dept in the country does not allow MAs to be taught in their academy, though Judo and Karate and pressure points and other MAS have been tried.

I don't fault TMA techniques for this. It's just the way they train. They train to reduce your real fighting spirit, in much the same way that schools used ot make you sit to promote clear thought. Straight backs promote better oxygenation of the brain, which them leads to more logical thinking.--- But, THINKING is not what you need in real fighting. Reaction and assertiveness is.

My mom was a little bitty woman, but I never saw her back down from a fight. I remember her boldly taking stuff out of this big guy's hands when she caught him stealing from her car. I remember her popping up out of nowhere to kick one man in the balls and knee from behind. I remember her calmly pointing a gun at this guy when he pulled a knife on my grandfather.

But, my mom once told me she was scared of fighting WOMEN. She said she was always getting attention from men, being so short and petite, and some girls in her hood didn't like it. One day, she just freaked out when these 2 women confronted her in a bar.. and she just jumped this chick, even as scared as she was. They thought she was crazy, and never botrhered her again.--- That's my funny story for the day.

That's the attitude needed for fighting. Most TMAs just don't develop that.

Erle Montaigue, a famous Tai Chi man, has written about this. He said that curved backs, like those found in Boxing and Wrestling, are better for promoting the survival instinct than straight backs are. That's a traditional master of the MAs, telling us that most TMAs have it all wrong.

I think that most sports styles, including MMAs, will develop that fighting attitude/ spirit better than real TMAs. Not only is it in the posture, but in their training. They specifically train for real physical conflict in every training session, and compete in front of hundreds/ thousands of ppl. So, the idea of just facing one guy is too easy for them, as far as the attitude required goes.

Miltary styles are weaker than sport styles in this regard. First, because most soldiers here in my state admit to only getting like 8 hours of fight training during Basic, and then never see the stuff again. That's just not good enough to save your life, no matter how good the style is. Most military guys simply are not ready for real fighting, and that's partly why so many of them spaz out and shoot at each other over there. Fratricide, which is what they call friendly fire, was not as big in Vietnam as it is today in the desert. We have better communications and surveilance gear today, so we should have less of it... but our training for combat today is less than it was back during Korea and Vietnam.

Police get pretty good training. Our regional acedmy, they do at least 8 hours of training every week for 13 weeks, plus getting surprise snatches (tests) of weapon retention during every break. They work to develop a natural suspiciousness that most ppl don't develop and train further during 12 weeks of patrol training to develop different stances for "interview" and "interrogation". They also develop team tactics, which most TMA and sport teachers certainly never develop. Different departments will have more, like state troopers.

I like what you said about Corrections guys that work prisons and jails. Every weekend is a major training event for them. They intake dozens of drunks every weekend, and any number of those guys could get belligerant in a heart-beat, Plus, what other method allows you to routinely deal with crooks, murderers, rapists and other vilent offenders. If anybody HAS to develop that attitude, it's those guys.

So, I'd put prison guards and cops at the top of my list, followed closely by sports ppl. TMAs do learn a lot MORE... but not necessarily better for real fighting.

That's how I see it.

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Why do most people think wrestling is useless in self defense(US military uses it)?

Most people think Wrestling is useless in self defense. But U.S. Army and U.S. Marine martial arts used and still are using wrestling a lot!Wrestling was always one of the martial arts European and North American armies taught to their soldiers in military training!Wrestling has been used by European,Persian,Turkish,and Arab armies during the Middle Ages and the time of ancient Persia,ancient Greece,and ancient Rome!Even the Vikings used wrestling in war.Long before Jujitsu and Judo came,wrestling was the grappling martial art used by gangsters and cops!Even today,cops and gangsters use it!Wrestling is still being used by modern European,Middle Eastern,and American(Mentioned above) armies`s martial arts training!
@ Sarge-Wrestling is used more than any other techniquesin combatives.

the us army DOESN'T teach wrestling, as part of the hand to hand combat, and i would know because i have been teaching hand to hand combat for over a year now to my troops,

how do you know what the army and marine corp, you aren't even in high school yet,

stop your arrogant trolling

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